Posts by The Oracle

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Watchtower Ambulance????

by OnTheWayOut in

i never heard of it nor ever saw such a picture before.

let's see who can come up with the funniest caption for one of these photos:.

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The Oracle

It's actually really from the WT society. It is used in Brooklyn to take any seriously ill bethelites to the hospital.

The Oracle

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New Generation understanding tied to Freddie Franz

by 5thGeneration in

also don't know if this has been mentioned previously.. our speaker yesterday, gb member br.

pierce, tied the overlap theory directly to fred franz's lifetime.. did anyone else catch this?.

evidently (and i'm paraphrasing), anyone anointed after franz's death in 1992 is not of the 'generation'.. 5th.

I'm curious and fascinated with how you can say Daniel had direct inspiration from Jehovah to help him understand the things he was writing. You seem quite convinced of this, as if it were an indisputable fact.

What do you base that on? I know how I would have answered when I was a JW, but I'm genuinely curious as to how you would answer.

The Oracle

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What good comes from joining a community like this for support/therapy?

by dances with smurfs in

okay so if anyone can give some imput on this, i would really appreciate hearing different opinions!.

(its downright impossible to make decisions, big or small, these days....sigh).

ive been thinking alot about the possible consequences and outcome of joining in on a community like this and using it as a form of therapy or a support group type setting when struggling over the witnesses.

The Oracle

I think discussion boards like this can be helpful.

Keep in mind, the journey is largely one that you will need to make alone, and not everything you read on here will work for you.

Everyone deals with things differently.

Everyone has a different threshold for confrontation.

Everyone feels a different level of empathy for those left on the inside.

The great thing is, you can read about and analyze all the turmoil, the joy and sadness, and the obstacles and challenges that different people face as they go through their awakening and eventual exit. And as you consider all the variety of circumstance, chances are you are going to relate to one or more of these experiences and will no doubt benefit from the things you read.

One thing is certain - you are headed in the right direction.

Enjoy the journey.

The Oracle.

PS: you can also benefit from the occasional "venting" session. I hear it can be quite therapeutic for ex-JWs.

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New Generation understanding tied to Freddie Franz

by 5thGeneration in

also don't know if this has been mentioned previously.. our speaker yesterday, gb member br.

pierce, tied the overlap theory directly to fred franz's lifetime.. did anyone else catch this?.

evidently (and i'm paraphrasing), anyone anointed after franz's death in 1992 is not of the 'generation'.. 5th.

The Oracle

BANE, did you just write "EVEN DANIEL himself used the bible to guess a date?"

Have you read any non religious history books regarding Daniel and "his" book?

You may want to broaden your reading list a bit.

Cheers,

The Oracle

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Things in the past that show you that your doubts started earlier than you thought

by sabastious in

i was just talking to my wife this morning about underlining or highlighting the wt paragraphs.. when i was 13 years old i would fight with my dad because i refused to highlight the answers.. the reason was because i wanted my comment to be genuine.

i felt that highlighting the "answer" made me lean on just using that as a crutch and not truly putting it in my own words.. i still hold that argument now, and i am 26. the only reason you would ever have to highlight something in a study book would be if you needed to remember it, maybe it is fairly complicated or subtle information that could be easily forgotten.. so many times in the wt the "question" has the same phrase that's in the paragraph!

it's literally like playing connect the dots.. so what i would do is not highlight during the family study.

The Oracle

Hey EmergedAsMe,

I share a lot of those same "repressed memories" for lack of a better term.

Even now I am recalling these kinds of memories that I haven't thought about for many years. The "truth" just didn't have the ring of truth to me, even as a young boy. Somehow we soldiered on, repressing these thoughts so we could be good members of the herd.

The one that I just remembered because of your post was the one about how I felt when I found out the JW religion had not really been around since bible times and that it really just got started in the 1800's. I have a strong recollection of feeling fooled and betrayed. I felt guilty because I had lied to my young friends whom I had witnessed to, claiming that the JW religion had been around since bible times.

The interesting part of all of this is that it shows us how effective the whole Watchtower brainwashing and mind control game is. You get sucked in to a cult mentality and all your doubts and feelings that "something isn't quite right" are summarily dismissed by your own WT trained mind before they can take serious root.

Hence the need to CONSTANTLY fill your mind with WT propoganda and to NEVER miss a meeting. Once the flow of mind numbing poison is cut off your mind begins to heal and you can start thinkingT clearly. This is precisely what the WT is afraid of and does not want to see happen to anyone.

The Oracle

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New Generation understanding tied to Freddie Franz

by 5thGeneration in

also don't know if this has been mentioned previously.. our speaker yesterday, gb member br.

pierce, tied the overlap theory directly to fred franz's lifetime.. did anyone else catch this?.

evidently (and i'm paraphrasing), anyone anointed after franz's death in 1992 is not of the 'generation'.. 5th.

The Oracle

LOL... just checking in to see what the old gang is up to....and what is new in the wild and crazy world of JWism.

This latest JW generation stuff has my jaw hitting the floor and my head shaking in disbelief...

I can't believe it took me soooo long to shake free from this craziness.

Glad to be out though. Life now makes perfect sense. Hoping the ranks of ex-JWs continue to swell because of this latest absolutely hilarious and ridiculous horse-bleep generation teaching.

Cheers,

The Oracle

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cancer.....wanted to warn you....

by peaches in

jw
friends

my aunt is self supportive...runs a self employed catering service...healthy and active...went to bed one night,,,,woke up with a sore chest....she thought she had pulled a muscle...so...gave it a few days to heal.....no improvement.... went to the doctor,,,,,they ran some tests,,,,and found out she is full of cancer...it is in her breast,,,lungs,,,liver....they told her she has about 4 to 6 months to live...nothing they can do for her..... she is just a wonderful person,,,,and i love her alot...i told her god loves her,,,and that heaven was a wonderful place...i said nothing about "earth"...i told her death is only hard on the living...and sent her big hugs...... this is really disturbing because she had no symptoms....none...she felt fine...i did not want this to happen to any of you...so,,,guys and gals,,,check for lumps and bumps...get the yearly physicals,,,mamo-grams,,,pap smears...prostrate..etc etc.... we always think it would never happen to us or a loved one...but...it so easily could....peaches .

The Oracle

that is very sad and disturbing news.... very sorry to hear that

thanks for the warning and reminder... everyone should take advantage of early detection testing - men and women

life is far too wonderful a journey to have it cut short

Love

The Oracle

13

Re-instatement

by hotspur in

can anybody show me in any bible that, to be re-instated, i need to humiliate myself for at least 6 months?.

what's that all about?

in fact, that is high my list of 1001 reasons i'd never go back!.

The Oracle

In the words of one of the classic rock bands of the 70's and early 80's.... Don't Look Back

The Oracle

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"Why Christianity Must Adapt -- Or Perish"

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

why christianity must adapt -- or perish.

there is a fundamental question facing christian sects in america, an ideological distinction that cleaves the many churches into two different camps: is it better to fit the church and christianity to the world, thus keeping the faith relevant, or is it better to mold the world to the faith?

put more bluntly, whose vision of the future of christianity is correct: the conservative, literal baptists or the modern, liberal episcopalians?

The Oracle

I have evaluated Christianity, it's history and the actions of its adherents.

I have decided that it is not something that meets my personal standards of morality.

It clashes with my value system. I cannot in good conscience support it. My integrity as a member of the human family would be compromised, and I am not willing to do that.

I am free to decide. My decision has been made. I choose Love. I choose knowledge. I choose wisdom. I reject Christianity.

Sorry to those who do not agree, but I have to be honest. We are all free to decide.

If this brings me an eternity burning in hell, then I'll go down fighting for what I believe is right....but guess what? I'm pretty sure I'll be just fine.

Peace to all and enjoy your evening!

The Oracle

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Have you hit your 50's? Are you feeling it, or do you still feel young?

by restrangled in

jw
friends

i'm curious, because in my 40's i felt like a million dollars.

i am starting to feel it,....i just don't have the stamina of working in the yard all day, coming in making dinner and getting the laundry done at the same time, or working full time.. i see the years in my face when i don't get enough sleep, and no amount of makeup makes a difference.

my eyes seem to always look tired.

The Oracle

So far so good.... but I'm only in my 40's

still play like I'm in my 20's and I'm hoping I can keep it going for a couple more decades...

I have to tell you though - it is a bit of a bummer coming to grips with this aging concept.

The Oracle